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1) You do in fact believe in "salvation by doctrine". You still don`t get the picture <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" /> One believing the correct doctrine only makes manifest his or her salvation. If you don`t acknowledge that I keep saying it (right doctrine) only makes manifest your salvation, you are not being honest pilgrim and you know it, and those who are following along with an honest , unbias heart know it. You are guilty of self-contradiction in your view I admit, after rereading your testimony there was the possibility of you being regenerated. Newbirth preceeds belief of the truth, jesus in jn 3 teaches that and also 2 thess 2: 13 13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Applying your unbiblical view to the Apostle Paul, it must be that Paul was not saved until AFTER his 3 years in the Arabian desert where he was taught by Christ and learned the "true gospel" (according to your standard) and not on the road to Damascus or at the home of Ananias. Simply amazing!! You got it twisted, I asked you that question and you never responded, I never said that paul was not saved, and you know it! Where did I say that? and why don`t you step up and answer the question I asked you first. for your information though, IMO , saul was regenerated on the road to damascus, what is your opinion ? pilgrim says On another note, I also adamantly reject, at least your implicit view of an elongated/delayed time frame regeneration. fine you can reject it but I believe the bible teaches it or at least implies it. In acts 10 with cornilus, the bible says that he feared God. No man in nature can fear God rom 3 teaches that, so it is very feasible that he was regenerated by God so he can be ready to believe the Gospel that peter would shortly preach to him. acts 10: 2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. You know the rest of the story, if not read acts 10. Peter was commanded to preach the Gospel to him. Another instance is with Lydia in acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. notice it said she worshipped God! No one in nature can worship God, so IMO she had been regenerated inorder to be receptive to the Gospel that paul was to preach to her. I do think it is time to ask a few important questions of you:
Can you point to any historic Creed, Confession or Catechism which teaches your views?
Can you point to any particular denomination which holds to your views? You would rather have mens opinion over the unadultarated word of God? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" /> Everthing I have expressed to you I have showed by scripture, and you can`t handle the it.You never respond by showing me by scripture and context where I am wrong, if you can please do. And yes, there are some old predestinarian baptist who believe some of things I believe. Can you provide a brief list of some notable men who hold to your same views? http://www.asweetsavor.150m.com/some of those guys hold to regeneration prior to faith, also see http://www.webbmt.org/
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The Audience is important!
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Rubbish and various falsehoods refuted
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