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Hi again Pilgrim, You wrote:- ------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Paedobaptists don't start with Abraham, in regard to the Covenant of Grace (CoG) but with Adam. (Gen 3:15) ------------------------------------------------------------ What I see is PBs imposing Abraham and Moses upon Christ, instead of seeing them in the light of Christ. To start with Adam is better than starting with Abraham but if you bare going to start at the beginning, you must start with Christ (John 1:1, 5:39 ).
The Gen 3:15 covenant is a Covenant of Promise (Eph 2:12 ). God promises a Seed, which is Christ. The Noahic Covenant, the Abrahamic, the Mosaic and the Davidic are all Covenants of Promise. That is, they are announcements to man of the Covenant of Redemption which will come to pass in the New Covenant.
The New Covenant is therefore the outworking in time of the Covenant of Redemption which was made in eternity.
Do you now see more clearly the differences in our hermeneutics? You see a Covenant of Grace beginning with Adam and travelling through the ages until it arrives at Christ. You are therefore imposing Adam, Abraham, Moses and David upon Christ. I see all God's redemptive plans focussed upon Christ, and the previous covenants as promisory. As it is written:-
'For all the promises IN HIM are Yes, and in Him, Amen.'
And again:- 'Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm THE PROMISES MADE TO THE FATHERS' (Rom 15:8 ).
You wrote:- ------------------------------------------------------------ The CoG has to do with the "spiritual seed", i.e., the elect of God. Too many Baptists conflate physical Israel with the seed, the same mistake, albeit not to the same degree, as did the Jews of Jesus' day. There has always been and always will be two lines that exist within the human race. But there is only one covenant of grace from which the promise of salvation was given and is applied to those whom God had eternally predestined to salvation. ------------------------------------------------------------ Apart from the bit about Baptists, I can agree with this absolutely. No Reformed Baptist conflates Israel with the Seed. I think, however, that we may differ as to who the Seed is.
Every blessing, Steve
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