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I do have the same kind of assurance but it is through my repentance and faith in Christ Jesus. Not because I was chosen and didn't have a choice. I was drawn by the Holy Spirit to be saved by the Blood of Jesus but I still had a choice, a free will. Just as Adam had a free will to eat of the Tree of Life. So your saying that God chose for Adam to disobey him and eat of the Tree? He Chose for Adam to fail.
And actually God is an inventor, seeing how an inventor and a creator are pretty much one in the same. They both created (invent) something new.
I believe that God has the foreknowledge but I can't grasp why he would allow things to happen the way they do if our destiny is already lined out for us. Why would God allow suffering on Earth for his "Elect" if we are "untouchable" as you make them out to be?
Why would Jesus have to die? If God defines our destiny for us then why did Jesus have to die? If predestination is true then why did God give us Laws? Why? How do you explain things in the Bible like the requirement of blood shed for the forgiveness of sins? Why must there be blood shed for sins if God is just going to pick who goes?
Please give me your definition of the "Church", which is who Paul was talking to in pretty much all of his books.
Foreknowledge is true but I'm not sure about Predestination.
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lacknothing
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:26 PM
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J_Edwards
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lacknothing
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J_Edwards
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lacknothing
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J_Edwards
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John_C
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lacknothing
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:38 PM
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lacknothing
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lacknothing
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Tom
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lacknothing
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Joe k
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Pilgrim
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lacknothing
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:51 PM
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Pilgrim
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lacknothing
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Pilgrim
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Paul_S
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Jimbo
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lacknothing
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Jimbo
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Clint
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:13 AM
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Robin
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:08 AM
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Clint
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Machaira
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Clint
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Machaira
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Clint
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Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:49 PM
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Tom
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Clint
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Machaira
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Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:53 AM
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J_Edwards
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Clint
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Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:41 PM
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Adopted
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Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:58 AM
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Clint
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J_Edwards
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Clint
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Adopted
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Adopted
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Machaira
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Tom
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Machaira
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Pilgrim
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Wes
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Robin
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lacknothing
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lacknothing
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lacknothing
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Tom
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Tom
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Jim_M
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Robin
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CovenantInBlood
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Jim_M
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CovenantInBlood
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Jim_M
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Robin
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Robin
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Pilgrim
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Peter
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Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:56 PM
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