Posts:
706
Joined: May 2016
Forums31
Topics8,348
Posts56,544
Members992
Most Online2,383Jan 12th, 2026
#10511
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:23 PM
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
Dear Mark:
I beg to differ Gerry. The point is Gods Law not a so-called moral law. Did you ever understand Gadsby or do you think he died a heretic ? Gadsby and Potts have said they delight in the law. They refer to Law as Gods law - not a hybrid God/man (moral) law. Why do you think they hate the law ? Have you a copy of Gadsbys hymns ? I will send you one should you wish to re-evaluate his position.
Mark, everyone who disagrees with me is not an heretic. I never said Gadsby was an heretic. I believe he was in error about the Law as I believe you are. I never said they hate the Law, either Mark, now did I? No I don't have a copy of Gadsby's hymns, but I do have a copy of Hart's. I wouldn't object to Gadsby's hymns in all probability, except for the ones that are tainted with antinomianism. I happen to believe that Gadsby, and Huntington, etc were powerfully used of God and were godly men, but that they were in error in these areas, not damnable error, but fairly serious error. I also believe there is a difference between error honestly held and error stubbornly and pridefully held.
Mark, you have not responded to Pilgrims comments on this issue as in so many of your posts in the past. You never seem to interact with the scriptures. Why do believe what you believe? Spell it out so that you can see the logic or lack thereof in what you say.
What is being done, in presenting the Law as "a problem", and it is done oh so subltly, by expressing a reverence for the Law, and a respect for it, but at the same time associating it with Judaisers and confusing it with the false use of it that Paul corrected in Galations, and failing to teach and preach on it (as is done so beautifully in the Heidleberg Catechism for example) is that the Moral Law is set aside and shunned while at the same time the claim is made that it is reverenced. This results in a sowing of confusion.
I am not "under the Law" in the sense that Paul uses that term, which is as a means of salvation, but I do most assuredly love it, and am taught by it, differently than before, when the Spirit came "as a Spirit of fear, to bondage". He no longer comes to me with the Law that way, but He does, praise God, come to me with the Law to teach me ever more deeply the meaning of sin, and the meaning of His Holiness and what it means to love the Lord and my neighbor, and to live, or attempt to live, a holy life. As Pilgrim and others have repeatedly said, sanctification and justification are not to be confused.
And remember, in order to construct a doctrine, which is a Biblical truth about a given subject, you must reconcile ALL the pertinant verses on that subject. This is basic hermeneutics. PS 119:160 says "THE SUM OF THY WORD IS TRUTH", NAS. Or, the NKJ I believe, has it; "The ENTIRETY OF THY WORD IS TRUTH". We must put ALL of the applicable verses together, and reconcile APPARENT DISCREPANCIES. Because we know the Holy Spirit wrote the scriptures through men, and He doesn't contradict Himself, therefore any apparent discrepancies are a function of our misunderstanding.
What Pilgrim and others have done for you here in many posts, is explain, in different ways, how those apparent discrepancies are reconciled. That is why Paul, in Acts 20:27, when he pointed to the validity of his teaching ministry, focused on the fact that he had "taught the whole counsel" of the Word of God. Not part of it, but all of it. That is how to avoid error. But you and Ian have accused him of error when he and others clarify the scriptures by explaining the sense in which certain terms are meant. This is not error, it is exegesis, it is comparing scripture with scripture and reconciling APPARENT error.
The Arminians err because they deny the verses that focus on the Sov Choice of God and don't reconcile them with the will and responsibilty of man. The hypercalvinists forget about the verses that speak of man's responsibility and will and focus only on God's will. BOTH must be reconciled or error results. It's very simple really, Mark, but it does require work and mental effort. Scripture interprets scripture. The "whole counsel" Mark.
In Him,
Gerry
Entire Thread
...The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:05 AM
Re: ...The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:59 AM
Re: ...The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:14 AM
Re: ...The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:05 AM
Re: ...The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:42 PM
Re: ...The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:24 PM
The people miscalled Antinomians ?
William
Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:37 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:56 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
William
Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:36 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:57 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:27 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
William
Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:54 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:29 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:29 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:27 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Ruth
Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:02 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:16 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:26 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Ruth
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:53 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:58 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:37 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:09 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:01 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:51 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:17 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:16 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:10 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:40 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:51 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:23 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:46 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:27 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:27 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:52 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:30 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:08 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:37 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:07 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:44 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:12 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:30 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:46 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:08 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:53 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:26 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:34 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:58 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:45 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:24 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:40 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:49 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:23 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:54 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:00 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:54 AM
Luther's view
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:52 PM
Re: Luther's view
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:00 PM
Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:16 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:14 AM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:37 AM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:35 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:49 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Pilgrim
Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:43 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:37 AM
Re: Just curious Mark
Pilgrim
Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:43 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:24 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:13 AM
Re: Just curious Mark
Pilgrim
Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:45 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:17 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:32 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Pilgrim
Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:28 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:36 AM
Re: Just curious Mark
Pilgrim
Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:20 PM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Stucco
Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:43 PM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Anonymous
Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:50 PM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Pilgrim
Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:35 PM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Anonymous
Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:33 PM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Wes
Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:15 AM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
DaveVan3
Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:16 AM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Wes
Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:34 AM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Pilgrim
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:06 AM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Anonymous
Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:05 PM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Stucco
Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:27 AM
Re: Progressive Sanctification
Wes
Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:38 PM
The Just Shall Live By Faith
Anonymous
Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:27 AM
Re: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Anonymous
Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:57 AM
Re: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Anonymous
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:45 PM
Re: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Anonymous
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:53 PM
Re: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Pilgrim
Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:43 PM
Re: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Anonymous
Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:08 AM
Re: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Anonymous
Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:28 AM
Re: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Anonymous
Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:38 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Saved_n_kept
Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:52 PM
Re: Just curious Mark
Anonymous
Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:20 AM
Re: Just curious Mark
Wes
Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:38 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
CovenantInBlood
Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:07 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:09 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:29 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Saved_n_kept
Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:10 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:34 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
CovenantInBlood
Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:37 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:29 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
CovenantInBlood
Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:34 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Saved_n_kept
Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:46 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:57 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:27 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Tom
Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:15 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:12 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
MarieP
Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:12 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:33 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:31 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:14 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:30 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Saved_n_kept
Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:38 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:53 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:31 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Ruth
Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:50 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:16 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Tom
Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:27 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:46 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Tom
Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:24 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:31 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:03 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:10 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri May 21, 2004 6:57 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
grace2U
Fri May 21, 2004 8:25 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri May 21, 2004 6:07 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Fri May 21, 2004 6:29 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon May 24, 2004 1:48 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Tom
Mon May 24, 2004 1:57 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:36 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
MarieP
Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:21 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Henry
Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:41 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
MarieP
Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:41 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:00 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:36 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:56 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:01 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Wes
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:44 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:03 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:05 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:20 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:31 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Pilgrim
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:39 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:45 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:49 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:01 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:25 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:46 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:52 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:11 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:27 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:31 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:13 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:20 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:30 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:43 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:57 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:15 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:37 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:04 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:57 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:50 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:38 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:53 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:53 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:08 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:10 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:48 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:23 AM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:45 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
MarieP
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:44 PM
Re: The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:06 AM
Law and Liberty, Law and Gospel
MarieP
Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:19 PM
Re: Law and Liberty, Law and Gospel
Anonymous
Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:05 AM
Re: ...The people miscalled Antinomians ?
Anonymous
Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:30 AM
Is there a name they call this particular view?
Tom
Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:09 AM
Re: Is there a name they call this particular view?
Anonymous
Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:15 AM
Re: Is there a name they call this particular view?
Anonymous
Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:29 PM
Re: Is there a name they call this particular view?
Tom
Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:24 PM
Re: Is there a name they call this particular view?
Anonymous
Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:31 AM
0 members (),
90
guests, and
33
robots.
Key:
Admin ,
Global Mod ,
Mod
S
M
T
W
T
F
S
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
There are no members with birthdays on this day.