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BookMark said:
Ian, I believe I understand your points and feelings here quite well.

What is concerning me is that some here talk about Gods Law and a moral law.

1 Timothy 1:7 sums this up very well and is often ignored.

Some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling,DESIRING TO BE TEACHERS OF THE LAW;UNDERSTANDING NEITHER WHAT THEY SAY,NOR WHEREOF THEY AFFIRM.

Thankyou Ian for your input on this thread.Many here are learning about Grace for the first time I would imagine.

God bless you Mark.

As it says in Romans...

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"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
Romans 11:6

And in Galatians...

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"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them." Galatians 3:11-12

And in Philippians...

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"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" Philippians 3:9

You are right about 1 Timothy 1:7. I am still waiting for someone to give an answer to the following:-

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"Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust."
1 Timothy 1:7-11

The same question as posed by Gadsby in your article Mark. If the law was not made for a righteous man then how can it be set before him as a rule of life? Better to walk by the rule of faith as a 'new creature', as Paul says:-

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"But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."
Galatians 6:14-16