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J_Edwards said:
Uhmm, who said the LORD was influenced by anyone’s works for salvation? However, since you believe in a horrible despot who denies His very nature and ONLY hates and despises everyone and ALWAYS, without exception, pours out hatred and despite toward an unelect creation He made and NEVER, without exception, pours out love, mercy, and grace, I can see why everyone is so excited about becoming a Lutheran.

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry GodWere it not for the sovereign pleasure of God, the earth would not bear you one moment; for you are a burden to it; the creation groans with you; the creature is made subject to the bondage of your corruption, not willingly; the sun does not willingly shine upon you to give you light to serve sin and Satan; the earth does not willingly yield her increase to satisfy your lusts; nor is it willingly a stage for your wickedness to be acted upon; the air does not willingly serve you for breath to maintain the flame of life in your vitals, while you spend your life in the service of God's enemies. . .
The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you was suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.

J_Edwards said:
Speartus, first it is not my covenant it is God’s that you are making a mockery of. Second, as already stated the Reformed view of the Covenant does not include works for salvation. Being a member of the Covenant does NOT mean one is saved, it merely means that one is in a certain relationship with God that has in it both cursing and blessings. Anyone, including Lutherans, who rest on Baptism, or any other work or device for salvation, save Christ alone, is NOT saved. You are STILL confusing membership in the covenant to be the same as salvation. This is not correct. How much of CT have you ever studied?

J_Edwards said:
PS: the unregenerate DO NOT prepare to receive grace for salvation, that is Arminianism—again! The unregenerate are BORN AGAIN (regenerated by the Holy Spirit) and then they are prepared to DO the good works God prepared for them since the beginning of the world to DO!