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beloved57 said:
yes, thats true ! If a elect jehovah witness who has not been brought to a knowledge of who christ is and what he has done for the sins of his people and that he was God, sure he will still be saved because he is a elect, but at this particular time in their life, prior to God revealing the truth to them regarding who christ is and what he has done, to me he has not manifested his salvation yet, because they still manifest belief in a false doctrine.

so I cannot say that person is saved , how could I ? We are not God , we are not omniscience ! We can only know that one could possibly be our brother or sister by what they confess to be true about the doctrine of christ they hold and confess. Do you think paul would have been accepted and fellowhipped by the other christians if he did not evidence a belief in the gospel of the christ he recently hated and vehemently persecuted ? Come on give me a break with that argument, it is so weak and you know it sir... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />

Once again you are missing my whole point. There is not one arminian, for lack of a better term, who would deny the trinity, diety of Christ, Bodily resurrection, coming in the flesh etc etc.

The elevation of TULIP, especially "L" to this level is man made.

One who denies Christ came in the flesh is antichrist per john the inspired apostle. But I do not see any verse supporting anyone who denies "L" is antichrist.

I am not arguing here darryl. You need not respond unless you can address my question. And why do you use Paul as the barometer and not Christ? Was HE not given the title "Friend of publicans and sinners?"

You are claiming that denying your shibboleth of tulip is a sin. But if Christ suffered for that sin, than why condemn them? I dont think you can have it both ways.

If a man dies while rejecting Christ as being the messiah, denying He came in the flesh, we could possibly conclude he is damned. But if one dies denying any of the petals, but confesses and trusts in Christ as the anointed one, wouldnt the blood of Christ cover all of his sins?

There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.