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BookMark said: This might help from Luther.
We must reject those who so highly boast of Moses's laws,as to temporal affairs, for we have our written imperial and country laws,under which we live,and under which we are sworn. Neither Naaman the Syrian, nor Job, nor Joseph, nor Daniel,nor many other good and godly Jews, observed Moses's law out of their country,but those of the Gentiles among whom they lived.
Anyone here disagree with this ?
I agree with Luther 100% on this btw Mark, Do you REALLY agree with Luther 100%? I ask you this because it was Martin Luther who first coined the phrase "Antinomian", from the Greek word meaning ‘against law’. He used it of those who thought that with the coming of the Christian gospel, God’s law could now be safely relegated to oblivion. There is a sense in which this heresy arose from a misunderstanding of the Apostle John’s statement, ‘The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ’ (John 1:17, AV). This was interpreted to mean that Moses and his law have now been superseded by Jesus Christ and His grace. Other statements about Christians not being ‘under law’ but ‘under grace’ lent weight to this view. The fact that there is no ‘but’ in the Greek original of John 1:17 should have given the Antinomians pause, quite apart from many other New Testament statements which establish the moral law as an essential element in the life of grace. Thus, Martin Luther, if alive today would stand against you and your Antinomianism.  And lastly, as a side note, I am rather confused by something else you have said on more than one occasion in these debates. You have confessed that you are "working your way through" this matter and have not come to any firm position. Yet, I have not found you once to argue for the traditional, historical Reformed view. But rather, you are quite adamant in arguing for the Antinomian view. Care to explain that, IF you are in fact, simply trying to "work your way through" this subject. In His Grace,
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