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Joe k said:
I think I see where we differ. AS I look back i could have been a tad clearer. THe elect never go kicking and screaming to Christ once regenerated. And the unregenerate will never go kicking and screaming to hell. My point is old nature vs new nature. <span style="background-color:yellow">God's irresistable grace does compel, force the old nature to succumb to this new spirit.</span> Where the new creation becomes willing in the day of salvation. Becasue he now desires it. At the point of regeneration, the old will is 'forced' per se by the power of God to respond to the call becasue it is completely changed.
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nope.gif" alt="" /> The old nature is NOT "forced" to do that which it is incapable of doing. It can only act within the bounds of what it is.

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Jeremiah 13:23 (ASV) "Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil."

Matthew 7:17-18 (ASV) "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
Thus, for a "tree" (man) to do that which is good, e.g., believing upon Christ, he must be made into a good "tree". You cannot force a dead tree to produce good fruit... it is simply impossible. God can make water flow from a rock. He can make a donkey speak, etc. But does not and CANNOT make a rational human being do that which is contrary to his nature. Again, this is the view held by historic Protestant Christianity, aka: Calvinism. Arminianism insists that an unregenerate man CAN make decisions which are contrary to his nature. And, I'm no Arminian. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" />

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