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Greetings,
I just wanted to look at this a little further. I think I already looked ay Matt.28:19 and showed why I believe it is water baptism. What proof do you have that it is Holy Spirit baptism?
I looked at Acts 19:3-5 and I am not sure what this proves. Why didn't you read verse 6? Look at v5 " On hearing this, they were baptized in THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS". Acts 10:47-48 shows that to be water baptism. Then notice v6 " when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied".
I have to ask, if it was Holy Spirit baptism they received in v.5, why did Paul have to lay his hands on them in v6 to get the Holy Spirit? Doesn't make sense. I will talk on this later, but this is one of the reasons why I believe that HS baptism has ceased. This happened also in Acts 8. The Apostles had to come down to lay hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit and it says in v.18 " now when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given through the LAYING ON of the apostles hands..." They had already been baptized in the name of Jesus, but not the Holy Spirit. I have to ask, when the apostles died, how was the Holy Spirit given?
Question 11 Baptism in the name of Jesus is under the New Testament not old. Jesus said after he was raised from the dead, " he that believes and is baptized shall be saved..." He also stated that remission of sins would be preached in his name begiing in Jerusalem. In Acts2:38 we see what they were told to do.
Question 10 who says they are "dry"? Romans 6 is talking about water baptism. Buried,Raised and v3 says baptized into Christ and we see that is water baptism Acts 10:47-48.Some have you walking in newness of life before being baptized, but in v4 we see it comes after being baptized. I have to ask again, when were you buried with him in Holy Spirit baptism? And what were you raised up out of?
Look at Col 2:12 it says you are raised with him through FAITH in the working of God". Are you raised with him in Holy Spirit baptism through FAITH? Notice that God does the work...not Jesus. This should be a question for those who believe baptism is something in addition to faith. Does faith save? Yes....but when? At the point of faith? No. but at the point of being baptized. Tell us, when you were baptized, were you raised through faith?
question 9 answered
question 8 good question and yet the bible does tell us the gifts would cease. This will be time consuming so I will look at this later.
question 9 The bible doesn't teach sprinkling to anyone. Those who are baptized have to be old enough to repent and believe. So why didn't he baptize? Did he baptize John? Why have John Baptize? Jesus in Matt.28:19 commanded man to preach and baptize. Jesus baptism was done for the first time in Acts2. and was a prophecy to be filled. It was to be done on all flesh, Jew and gentile. Acts 2 you have the apostles who were Jews and acts 10 you have a Gentile. Thats it.
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