Wes said: You have not been falsely accused of anything. <br><br>Scott: Yes I have, and especially by you. You claimed my message was nothing but my opinion, I proved that what I said was well rooted in Catholic teaching, including the Scriptures.<br><br>Wes: You come here to a Protestant Bible believing message board with your Catholic heresy and dress it up in such a way as to make it sound almost like what we believe. <br><br>Scott: Wes, I have presented the Catholic teaching on these matters, at teaching that hasn't changed since long before Protestantism was even heard of - if it sounds similar, it's because you got it from us (sometime after you split from us).<br><br>Wes: You have been presenting yourself in a way that confusses the clear teaching of the Roman Catholic church. Jason, RefBap, Five_Sola, and Pilgrim have all pointed that out to you. <br><br>Scott: I have presented the Catholic teachings. I am not attempting to "confuse" anyone - I am just trying to show you the truth. <br><br>Wes: Now you write a lenthy message full of statements and verses that purport to be "Church teaching" or the final word. <br><br>Scott: No Wes, I never claimed to be presenting the "final word." Yes, I presented a rather lengthy post - at your request! Do you forget that it was you who claimed I was not representing Catholic teaching? Well, I provided you with Catholic teaching, and now you complain about the length of it. <br><br>Wes: Well has anybody been confused by what you're saying now? NO... not one! <br><br>Scott: I presented facts. I am not here to confuse. Why is it that when confronted with facts, I am answered with character assissination? I must have hit a nerve.<br><br>Wes: They all conclude the same thing. You're message is understood to be "faith & works" and that lines you up with traditional Roman Catholicism. Which is a religion that denys the clear teachings of Scripture.<br><br>Scott: They all conclude wrongly then. Traditional Roman Catholicism is NOT about a faith + works = salvation system. Jason's attempt to present only part of the truth has been twarted by a Catholic, loyal to "traditional Catholicsim," presenting the fact that there's more to it than Jason is telling. No one comments on James' statement about "faith without works is dead," which is quite telling. <br><br>Wes: Many questions have been raised for you to answer by others. It seems as if you avoid them. I hope you'll take to heart that the questions are designed for you to come to know the Truth and that hopefully the Truth will set you free from false doctrine. <br><br>Scott: I am "avoiding" no one. I don't live at the keyboard, thus my time spent on message boards, such as this one, is limited. I don't work from "boiler-plate" files (premade responses), rather I take the time to respond, personally, to each message I write. As for "many questions... by others..." I am aware of Pilgrim's messages, which I do plan to get to - does that constitute "many?" I understand your zeal and the feelings you express regarding The Church - I was at one time quite anti-Catholic myself.<br><br>Wes: I read through your lengthy message. No matter how you phrase it and how many words you use you still keep saying the same thing. You're teaching that the "one sacrifice" of Christ Jesus on the cross at mount Calvary wasn't enough. Oh I know that you have said that it is enough but then you come back and say that venial sins still need some temporary punishment in purgatory. If Christ's death were sufficient you wouldn't need to teach about a purgatory. You wouldn't need to teach about anything needed to be added to His completed work. Especially after death how can someone in any way go through punishment that will purify them or have any further cleansing effect than what Christ has provided on the Cross once for all? The Bible tells us that after death comes the judgement. <br> <br>Scott: Yes, after death comes the judgment. Those in Purgatory are already judged there is no further judgment here - so I don't know what point you're trying to make. Christ's death on the Cross was sufficient to redeem us, ALL of us not just a limited few that Calvinism claims. Which teaching teaches more sufficiency? Catholicism teaches that all are redeemed (though not all will accept the free gift that Christ has given them); Calvinism teaches that Christ's redemptive act was only for a few (the elect). Who's teaching is restricting Christ?<br> <br>In JMJ,<br> <br><font face="Brush Script MT" class="bigger">Scott<<<</font> [Linked Image]