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I'm not sure how much more specific I could have been? The "point" was that Rome's confusing intermixing of "justification" and "sanctification" often clouds the OFFICIAL teaching of what is exactly meant by "justification". However, the Tridentine articles which were included in the quote by Horton in my last reply showed clearly that "justification" is NOT by faith alone, NOT an imputed righteousness, NOT a forensic declaration, NOT the possession of an alien righteousness, but DOES include works in the matter of justification, etc.

The further "point" was that the phraseology used by you is even more confusing that Rome's OFFICIAL teaching, which nearly everyone here has noticed and consequently pointed out to you. You are maintaining that what you have written is 100% consistent with the OFFICIAL teaching of Rome, yet, one would be hard pressed to discern this from the way you present your view.

Lastly, IF in fact you are holding fast to the OFFICIAL teaching of Rome, then what I stated in my first point is all the more valid and your presentation of it all the more obscure. For, it seems you are trying to present a case where the historic Reformational view of "justification" is not antithetical to Rome's OFFICIAL view. Of course, this novelty has already been tried with "ECT" and "The Gift of Salvation" and failed miserably because the antithesis is perspicuous, even to the average Christian. Unlike some "schmoozy" individual's today who are reluctant to call "a spade a spade", in such matters I am much more inclined to be like Martin Luther and call "a spade a damn shovel"! The issue at stake is one of eternal life or eternal damnation and flushing out misconceptions, disguised presentations, vague terminology, deceptive language, etc., is unfortunately necessary.