Fred, is that your way of saying that no one dies with Christ in their conversion events?

(Fred) No, it is my way of saying that our dying has nothing to do with our own, personal faith. We die due to what Christ has done on the cross. My partaking in the merits of Christ's death was realized when God called me from my sinful existence, regenerated my spiritually dead heart, granted to me the gifts of His grace with saving faith and true repentance, and then I arose, went forth and followed Him. In other words, Christians are not, in and of themselves, the initiators of their "conversion event;" God is.


"Ah, sitting - the great leveler of men. From the mightest of pharaohs to the lowest of peasants, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" M. Burns